WJMC- Under 19s can join now!!

[jmxpitcrew]

Originally Posted by CASH476

Couldn't the same be said for senior riders who would like their kids to be at the same event?

Well of course it could, The club also had a motion submitted proposing to change the club into a junior/senior club full stop. The members were not happy with that adea though so it was knocked on the head.

Would these same kids feel intimidated racing against seniors but not Tye Simmons?

I think you know what point I was making, that wasnt about intimidation but a reply to someone who commented that 16 - under 19s are not juniors. That was a World JUNIOR title!

Couldn't under 19s drive at 17, & drink & vote at 18?

Splitting hairs there, they still need signing in until they are 18.

You have never been involved with a senior club I see!

Well actually yes I have, for quite a number of years I might add!! Lol

Did they consult the members of the senior club next door as well? I am not a member of either club and don't wish to offend, but this reasoning seems a little flimsy. A little like the genius who decided that school class years were from june to july so that the kids born late in the year weren't at a disadvantage

Did they need to consult any one? It may be a junior club, but its run by adults! They continually lose members to Coastal or Byford because they are junior/senior clubs, so when little Johnny reached 16 and little freddy was still only 13, off they would go so they could all be at the one venue. Junior/Senior clubs are so much more profitable than Junior only clubs, more profit means a better club and better facilities. WJMC has struggled for many years and they, as a club, made the desision to move forward and improve things. If it doesnt work after the 12 month trial, it will go back to the way it was.

[hondamad]

I think the families being pulled in different directions is the only valid point to this discussion that bears considering. The rest is pretty lame as pointed out by Cash.

I have to ask, can the riders that fit this bracket move backwards and forwards from juniors to seniors as they choose or is it one or the other? How can someone ride junior club runs but senior state rounds? Does that not defy some of the reasons given?

Are you going to let them ride 450's?

[jmxpitcrew]

[quote=hondamad;68438 I have to ask, can the riders that fit this bracket move backwards and forwards from juniors to seniors as they choose or is it one or the other? How can someone ride junior club runs but senior state rounds? Does that not defy some of the reasons given?/QUOTE]

So are you a parent?????? Of a teenager?.......Just wait, your opinion may just change when your bubs get older!


So how does Tye Simmons ride in a Senior National event and a couple of months later compete in a world Junior event???????

The reasons given- to help nurture the sport and discourage children quitting the sport prematurely!!!
WJMC are simply offering a venue to ride in at a club level. the riders are still classified as senior riders so they can compete at state rounds or at opens or whatever. (just none held by the club)


From every one I personally have spoken to, the parents are all in favour of this. the club donsn't see a child who has just turned 16 as mature enough to be out there with you rough racing hard B##@$%&$.
Ive seen more than a couple of outstanding Junior Riders fizzle away to nothing because they are JUST NOT ready to ride with seniors. This isnt ALL the juniors but it is more than a couple.

And before you all get totaly out of hand on this, the club did state- 12 month TRIAL period. and thus far.......They have no members registered in the 16 - under 19s!

And KB they cant really be expected to keep it just to the riders who have siblings in the club. you guys have only a few classes to deal with per day, Juniors have at least 8 or 9 and this will bring another class to it. so thats a minimum of 9 or 10 so its a big task just getting through it all, and we dont want to invite them only to have two riders turn up and we have to turn them away because there isnt enough for a class.

Relax people, I really doubt the WJMC will take away all your members. I think the ones who do enroll will be older brothers and passed members who join as a second club just for the nostalgia. If you guys were of the age bracket....wouldnt you want to have a ride too?
And dont forget the original motion given to them was to accept all Seniors!!! Now that would have been different wouldnt it.

And do you really think its lame to say we want our members to stay - instead of running off to a junior/senior club because the older child is a now a senior? thats not lame at all. It is valid and appropriate. So is the FACT that half these children ultimately give up the sport because they are put off by the hardness of the Senior clubs and work commitments etc. Remember they are still kids. perhaps if that half are NOT put off they may mature and join your senior clubs and continue with you for another few years instead of quitting in the first year???? Hmmmmm. Ultimately the goal is to help these young riders who the junior clubs have nurtured and encouraged. The club now want them to have a choice as to wether they are ready for seniors or want to stay where they are a little bit longer.

Its a TRIAL. who knows it might actually help the sport?????

[allford]

JMX Pitcrew you know who i am , tell us who you are . I am not threatened by the move just disappionted that you did it with out at least talking to us or is that too hard , i cant see it working but in the past we have helped the junior club and had a good relationship i think but there is no two ways about it you are trying take what traditionally was our market . But you didnt answer my question if we decided to allow juniors on our club days wouldnt you be pissed off . And how are you going to handle practice i think you will have trouble there . And as to your earlier remark about about the club being juniors and seniors full on then that is stupid and would leave us no alternative but to have juniors and see how we both survive .

[hondamad]

Yup I am a parent of a teenager and we ride at a junior/senior club so we don't have to worry about this. Again, some of your arguements contradict each other.

You will let an 18 year old ride a club day, then race a senior state round (with the big kids) then come back to the club and ride club days. With riders who are intimidated by the 'senior world?' I don't get it.

Again, will you allow them to ride 450's?

[Marklh69]

It does seem a a bit rude of WJMC to announce this without consulting the AJS club around the corner first.

However, as the parent of a 16 year old in the Northern Suburbs (now in Seniors) .. I know my son and all his mates could not wait to go to up Seniors.

I don't think many kids drop out because they are "scared of going to Seniors" - most the Juniors were faster than the most of the Clubman Lites anyway :)

I think the reason many drop out at 16-20 yrs is probably more to do with discovering girls, alcohol and cars .. and perhaps mum and dad saying "its time to start paying your own way mate".

I don't think AJS will loose too many members to WJMC at the end of the day .. perhaps a few with younger siblings, but they will probably still want to practice at the Snr tracks anyway.

[ridemx21]

The way i understand it is the senior riders will have a separate class on race day? So a junior rider should no be intimidated by that. As a rider who has just gone to seniors i see it as a good idea because it means i can now have two tracks close by to ride on and will not have to go in the pines or far away when i want something different. It will also be good to get back on the track that i have rode and loved for 10 years...

[Lee 998]

Has ajs ever thought about joining with wjmc?
seems like a commen trend and looks like wjmc and childow are the 2 junior track(that im aware of).
Seems to make more sense because juniours wont struggle with no new members and seniors will benifit with the more numbers..?
i no there will be more work and staff needed to cope with the increase of classes and numbers to cater for i was just curious?

[allford]

i would not go there , good thought , but a lot of our members like the idea that we dont have juniors .

[bmcc prez]

That would be a site to see, the 65cc class in the quarry section ..lol